Bill Moyers and Neil deGrasse Tyson discuss why science literacy is important for the future of our democracy, economy and standing in the world: “Science literacy is an inoculation against charlatans who would exploit your ignorance of scientific law to then take your money from you or your opportunity from you.” And that literacy is at risk, Tyson concludes.

Bill and Tyson also talk about American students’ poor performance on international math and science tests as well as the relationship between income inequality and education.

Watch part one and part two of Bill’s interview with Tyson.